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September 2007


9/30/2007

My wife and I toured some of the Parade of Homes in Baldwin County today and saw some beauties.  We saw hardwood , porcelain and travertine floors.  There were home theatres galore and terrifically equipped patios. There were 12' tall ceilings, wood ceilings, and sounds systems that would knock your socks off.   One of the houses listed for $950,000!  This new subdivision was proud of its small clubhouse, dinky pond for fishing, small community swimming pool and two hard surface tennis courts.  The builder said the dues right now are $650 a year.  Most of the houses were in the five hundred thousand plus range.  The most inexpensive house we saw was a cute 2400 square foot job for $399,000.  You know, as I sit here writing,  this old house in Lake Forest looks pretty good.

On the way back we stopped and had dinner at the Lake Forest Yacht Club.  You know, now that I think about it, none of the subdivisions we saw today had a Yacht Club.  Anyway, we had a nice dinner even though there was a wedding party swinging on the restaurant side of the building.  I took a picture of the sunset, but we already have so many of those in one of our photo albums here on your unofficial website.  We met some friends who, although they don't live in Lake Forest, have a social membership so that they can enjoy our deck on the bay.  No one else has anything like that but Lake Forest.


9/29/2007

Congratulations on getting over 50,000 hits on your website. That's amazing. I wonder how many the "official" site has gotten?

Thanks!  Isn't that great!  I suppose people just like to visit a site that allows them to state their mind.


9/29/2007

You're right.  They did a good job on that stretch of road on Bayview.  It's now the best piece of street in Lake Forest.  Also, you know they could replace one or two of those docks for what they paid for that survey.


9/28/2007

I came in late from work last night and had a great surprise!  The ride along Bayview where the repairs were made yesterday was wonderful!  They have smoothed out the bumps and repair the cracks in their first attempt and the street is significantly better!  Thank you, Daphne!


9/28/2007

I groan when I read "those who think this is an issue that should be tossed aside, are the same ones who don't care about this community.." The community had to spend time and effort proving the ballots were properly delivered due to threats from Ms. Information(previoulsy Weblord) about getting an attorney to stop the meeting. Who is truly showing disregard for the community here? BTW, anytime the subject of "Conflict of Interest" needs to be discussed, just have at it. Mr. Peterson has already been asked to resign, told he could not possibly care about Lake Forest, and had his integrity questioned on several issues. A little banter about the conflict of interest policy board members signed cannot possibly be worse.

You don't have that receipt do you. 

So, I made the general manager go through eight years of records to find those dates.  Wow!  I didn't know I still had that much power in the association!  OK, then, here we go.  Call for that assessment and fix the roof of 19th Hole/Pro shop before the damage to the building gets even worse.  You should have enough left over to build one of Marie's docks and see if she can really rent those slips.  There should still be enough left to repair some of those greens that for some reason members keep complaining about.  If you have to use any of it to cover operating expenses, fire the general manager.  OK, you get started on that and when I think of more, I'll get back to you.  How hard is this? 

Since Mr. Peterson has been a major player on the other side of nonsense like that described in the last couple of lines of your contribution, don't expect anyone here to feel sorry for him. 


9/27/2007

Ok, ok...those who think this is an issue that should be tossed aside, are the same ones who don't care about this community. But those people are also correct. It's not that big of a deal. So, I plan to get my boat and trailer and park it right on my front lawn. No big deal, right?


9/27/2007

I'm captivated by all the title changes we've experienced in the last two years--we went from the Spectrum to the Lake Forester, then from Board of Directors to Board of Governors, Webmaster to Web Lord then to Ms. Information, (should we be worried on that one) and now we have gone from the slates of 5 or 3 to The Improvement Movement and how does the Old Coots Demographic figure in vs. the Young Demographics, so is that what we call Progress? LOL.

What is curious is why you need to advertise the only three candidates running for only three positions.   Are they afraid that there might be nominations from the floor that will beat them out?  The only thing you need to worry about is that there are only three candidates running for three positions.  Is the membership intimidated or disgusted so much that no one else is willing to serve?


9/27/2007

Along with that USPS verification, could the "testy" contributor supply the location of the "law" that states the mailing date is considered the delivery date?

The information I received on the matter follows:

Section 10-3A-29

Notice of members' meetings.

Unless otherwise provided in the articles of incorporation or the bylaws, written notice stating the place, day and hour of the meeting and, in case of a special meeting, the purpose or purposes for which the meeting is called, shall be delivered not less than 10 nor more than 50 days before the date of the meeting, either personally or by mail, by or at the direction of the president, or the secretary, or the officers or persons calling the meeting, to each member entitled to vote at such meeting. If mailed, such notice shall be deemed to be delivered when deposited in the United States mail addressed to the member at his address as it appears on the records of the corporation, with postage thereon prepaid.

(Acts 1984, No. 84-290, p. 502, §14.


9/27/2007

Controller quit and Kenneth's suspended we need to get this place under control.

Controller quit?  Another one?  Are you saying that makes three controllers in the last two years?  I'm not sure I'm following this one.  Did the person who was serving as controller a month ago quit or are you referring to the one from south Baldwin County that quit some months back?


9/26/2007

This ridiculous conversation about the mailings needs to end. These are the facts: Our most recent history of mailing is as follows: 2007 Mtg 10/15 Mailed 9/14 2006 Mtg 10/16 Mailed 9/15 2005 Mtg 10/17 Mailed 9/16 2nd mailing was 9/27 2004 Mtg. 10/18 Mailed 9/10 2003 records not found 2002 Mtg. 10/16 Mailed 9/18 2001 Mtg 10/17 Mailed 9/12 2000 Mtg 10/18 Mailed 9/15 1999 Mtg. 10/20 Mailed 9/17 The receipt from the post office showed that 3073 pieces of mail were delivered to the post office and paid for on Friday the 14th. This, in fact, constitutes delivery according to state law for corporations. Please end this unproductive discussions.

Weblord, I have your new name...Ms. Information. These latest railings about the mailings engrave that name on this site, forever. I think it will stick.

My, my, my aren't we touchy. 

Naturally, I would not want to distribute misinformation, so I went back and looked at the contributions just to be sure there were no exaggerations or blatant errors.  I reported that I received my notice on or after the 20th and several others reported also that they had received theirs on the 20th.  I cut and pasted sections out of the by-laws on the "official" site, that state the advance notice that is required.  I pointed out that at least one of them was not up to date and replaced it with the correct version of the section.  One person reported that she had received her notice some time before the 20th.  I certainly posted that one.  One person said he received his on the 12th, which seems a little odd since you say they weren't mailed until the 14th.  Of course with an informal blog anyone can make a minor error like that.  So, you'll have to explain to me where the misinformation occurs.  I can't find it. 

I don't really see why you are so bent out of shape.  If you have the receipt that you say you do in this submission with that little round USPS stamp on it saying that 3073 pieces were mailed on the 14th, then the discussion is closed.  The membership can rest at ease that the by-laws are being followed.  So, what is your gripe? 

Now perhaps you don't think the proper operation of the organization according to its by-laws is a particularly important thing.  Is that an appropriate attitude for someone in your position?  I would think you would jump at the chance to scan that receipt and send it to me so that I could post it for everyone so see.  No?  Oh well, let's see now.  What else can we talk about that might be more interesting than this "ridiculous conversation" about our trivial by-laws?  You know, when I was on the board the big opposition chant was about conflict of interest.  "Conflict of interest!" Conflict of interest!" "Conflict of interest!"  Boy, did I ever get tired of hearing that one, all because I had run for public office and Ed Kirby worked for the city. "Conflict of Interest!"  "Conflict of interest!"  In fact, one of your other directors, Willie Robison, was heard to have said it.  Maybe we can talk about that topic for a few weeks and how it relates to one or more of our officers. "Conflict of Interest!"  Nah.  I don't want to write about that stuff.  Isn't it nice that I don't allow harassing contributors to tell me what I can write about and what I can't?

Here is something that might be worth writing about.  What does it say about management's sense of priority, that it would spend the time it takes to search through eight years of records to find the dates that notices were sent out for the annual meeting?  Everything must be flush up there at the LFPOA office that she would have so much time to spend on something so irrelevant.  You do know that those last dates are irrelevant don't you?  It kind of reminds me of a conversation I heard one night when I was observing traffic court in Daphne. 

The police officer said "Your honor, I clocked her doing 50 miles per hour in a 35 mile per hour zone." 

The judge said, "Miss <pick a name>, what do you have to say to that?" 

"I wasn't going that fast, your honor.  I distinctly remember looking down at my speedometer and seeing that I was only doing 37?"

Do you think it ever occurred to her that 37 in a 35 is still speeding?   Assuming that the notices were sent out too late, do you think it makes any difference at all what happened in those other seven years?  How long did it take to find those old dates?  Did the GM do it herself or did she take one of the other staff off their job to waste the time?  (For the reader's information, I believe the general manager is a very nice person.  Comments like these have nothing to do with that.)


9/26/2007

I was making changes to yesterday's product until late last night, so even if you did check the website yesterday, you might want to take another look at it now for more information on the stated meeting.  Since it was added piecemill, you might find it makes more sense, if you scroll down to the first entry for the 25th and work your way back up.  Enjoy the read.


9/25/2007 Stated Meeting page 4

During the New Business portion of the meeting, the first topic was Strategic Business Plan.  I believe that the intent of this discussion was to consider the results of the recent survey and then think how to move forward next year toward addressing some of the members' issues.  They decided to let each committee chair report on ideas for his or her area.  Sherrie Weller was one of the first to speak.  Sherrie is chair of the Yacht Club and Marina committee.  She pointed out that the Yacht Club had not gotten particularly high marks in the survey.  She also reported that a pretty significant percentage had suggested that the association should consider allowing an external vendor to operate the facility.  Sherrie said that they had already talked to some local restaurateurs and one had even come out and told them what it would take for him to consider operating the place.  Apparently a pretty high cost of renovation would be necessary.  Sherrie made the recommendation that they pursue the idea further and the board agreed.  She then made a few very insightful observations.  She said that whether or not they allowed someone else to operate the Yacht Club, there would still be somewhere around $48,000 in fixed costs that the association would have to continue to bear.  She said that this year, the Yacht Club was probably going to be in the neighborhood of $80,000 in the red.  She suggested that with the cost of renovation, the association would be likely to save only around $15,000 at best and in the process the members would lose their exclusive use of the facility.  Allow me to add to that another consideration, that if an outside vendor were to operate a restaurant at our Yacht Club, then those weddings, private parties, Mardi Gras societies, social clubs and so on would also be left out.   Sherrie seemed to have a good grip on her information and made a very good presentation.

Willie Robison spoke about golf but darned if I can remember what he said.  John Peterson talked about the lake and sounded like Charlie Brown's teacher to me.

Clint Martin talked about recreation and pools.  All night long in every conversation Clint kept saying "The survey said this!  Some percent of the members according to the survey said that!"  All night long when the other people were presenting their ideas, he continued to refer to what the members said they did or didn't want on that survey.  Then when it came time to give his recommendation for the next year he said, "I think we should close the outlying pools and build a new centrally located one at the Country Club."  What happened to the survey said this and the survey said that?  Let me quote the summary provided by the firm that took the survey.

All pool locations received very poor satisfaction ratings on all aspects of the pools. The residents want the pools to remain in their existing locations. However, they want improvements made on the lack of shade, appearance, furniture, bathhouse facilities, and providing food and beverage.

1. Residents do not want to study locating all facilities at the main clubhouse location.

Clint did mention the deficiencies quoted in the survey about the pools other than the part about not moving them.  After he finally stopped, Sherrie Weller said that maybe that was something they could consider some day but obviously it could not be done next year.  "So", she said. "What do you recommend for next year?"  Clint answer was to reduce or eliminate the pool fee.  That idea didn't seem to go over too well with Sherrie.

Then Marie Bidney spoke on the marina.  Hal Pierce had also spoken earlier on the same topic during Member Comments.   They both gave very nice presentations.  Marie pointed out that the marina was the only amenity showing a profit.  She and Hal are convinced that if the association rebuilds some of the docks and repairs the others that people will come and rent the space.  Hal said that he was sure the city would get involved in the development of the waterfront and that Lake Forest would benefit.  Joe Moseley got all excited over this and wanted to know when.  Well, Hal couldn't quite answer that one.  Then someone said, "How do you know people will rent those slips?  We aren't full now."  Marie said she was just certain that they would.  Now when I say rebuild or repair those docks I heard numbers like $12,000 for one, $18,000 for another plus another $8,000 for a gazebo and $20,000 for another.  John Peterson said that he could tell us what the city wanted.  "They want us to give them the Yacht Club."  Hal and Marie did not agree.  Clint moved that they rebuild the $12,000 project and Joe said he wanted to rebuild them all so that we could see all that money come in.  After some discussion they agreed to let Marie come back with some more information before taking any action at all.  At one point, Marie said that they should require that all the profit from the marina stay with the marina.  That would pay for much of the repairs and the increased rentals would pay for the rest.  Sherrie objected to that idea and she was right on the money in my opinion.  She said that they should not get into the trap of earmarking  revenues from any of the amenities.  The revenues should be spent where they are needed most.  I wondered why no one reminded Marie of the $80,000 that the Yacht Club was in the red as Sherrie had reported earlier .  Can you talk about the marina without considering the Yacht Club?

Jim Moss talked about Communications.  He said that the website was looking good and being remodeled, but he didn't understand why it is not getting more visitors.  Our "unofficial" site doesn't have that problem. ;-)   Jim also said that Tomasina Werner is doing an outstanding job with the newsletter.  That is probably one of the only things Jim ever says that I actually agree with.  When he said that, Clint Martin started interjecting something about the newsletter that apparently was not quite as complimentary.  I couldn't quite make out what he was saying, but when Tomisina stood up and started walking toward the microphone, old Clint started crayfishing like crazy.

Later the board went into an executive session on an employee issue that the general manager should have been able to handle on her own.  Jim Moss did not stay for that session and Clint Martin left it early.

One final note.  When Hal Pierce was talking, Jim Moss kept popping off in an manner that I considered very rude.  He said that Hal had been on the board for a dozen years and president for a couple of terms.  Why didn't he do something about the Yacht Club and marina then?  Of course, Jim Moss has no  idea what Hal Pierce did.   He does not know that when Hal came along the association was in worse shape that it is now.  He, along with rest of the board at that time, was busy turning things around in this association.  I can tell you without the slightest doubt that Hal Pierce and his associates did much more than Jim Moss ever thought about doing in terms of improving the condition of Lake Forest.   Perhaps Jim might learn the old adage that "you won't show how ignorant you are, if you keep your mouth closed."


9/25/2007 Stated Meeting page 3

After the Member Comments portion of the meeting they moved to the Old Business part.  The only thing in that area was another of Henry's long letters to the city regarding an attempt of the Grande Pointe apartments to come up with a Plan B after failing to get permission to add apartments.  Apparently they now want to build some houses.  Henry doesn't seem to like the plan.  A good bit of discussion took place about "footprints" after he finished reading his letter.  Willie did not appear to agree with his definition.  The letter was so long and the discussion was so boring that some in the audience started to doze off.  Henry said they just had to approve his letter, so that he could address the subject when it comes up at the next meeting of the Planning Commission.  The board unanimously approved the letter, probably just so they could move on to something else.  I spoke with someone involved in planning for the city later and he told me that there is nothing on the agenda for the next meeting about the subject.  He said that John Peterson, who represents the engineering firm, had simply submitted some sketches, probably looking for some feedback.  After a while, the city people are going to quit reading those letters from Lake Forest, if they haven't already.

I'll tell you some more about the meeting later.


9/25/2007 Report on stated meeting continued:

I've got a few minutes here with a cup of coffee so let me tell you a little more about the meeting last night.  They had the usual committee reports with nothing unusual presented.  The GM report is not really worth talking about and then there was the Member Comments section.  A lady from the audience got up and gave a very good presentation on the benefits of the Lake Forest Stables.  She had brought with her a group of other horse lovers and they asked to be allowed to paint the buildings down there.  Hear again, these horse owning members asked to be allowed to buy the paint and paint the buildings down there.  They did not ask the board to have the association do it.  They did not complain about the association not taking proper care of their facility.  They did not bemoan the fact that the association pays no one to serve that amenity.  They just asked to be allowed to do it all themselves.  How about that?  I don't know, though.  That amenity has cost the association a whopping $300+ dollars this year.  Anyway, after some discussion, the board approved their request.  Does that mean the stables are safe for another year?  One interesting bit of this conversation was a request by the lady to change the color of the buildings.  They are presently red.  She said that red is an aggressive color or it creates an aggressive environment or something like that.  So, they asked to change the color.  I've always heard about the "red" barn.  I never knew barn animals were so sensitive to the emotional affects of color.  Maybe it's just horses.  The whole issue was interesting.  You should drop into some of these stated meetings sometime.  You never know what you might find out.  Anyway, the board agreed that if the color change is all right with Joe Hall, the head horseman down there, they can change the color. 

If I get some more time today, I'll tell you a little more about the meeting, maybe at lunch.


9/25/2007 First entry about the stated meeting of 9/24

Well, your old weblord was able to get home in time to attend most of the stated meeting of the Board of Directors last night.  Here are a few observations.  First, let me start by saying that the director who seemed to have been the best prepared and who had her ducks in a row and who made the most sense in the various discussions was Sherrie Weller.  She certainly seems to be giving Lake Forest her best shot.  Coming in second place would have probably been Marie Bidney.  She and Hal Pierce came prepared to sell some ideas for the Lake Forest marina.  Unfortunately, they both stumbled over a few tough questions.

The issue of the failure to give the 30 day notice did not come up until one of the audience got up during the "Member Comments" portion of the meeting.  When pressed, John Peterson said that the notices were mailed out on the 14th, which would have given them two days to get to us.  He said that state law says that the date that the letter is postmarked or given to the post office for delivery is legally accepted as sufficient to satisfy requirements like these.  Unfortunately, our letters did not have a postmark.  Since most of the people I talked to said they received theirs on the 20th, it would seem a little bit of a stretch to suggest that it takes 6 days for a letter mailed in Daphne or Spanish Fort to reach a mailbox in Daphne.   One lady at the meeting tonight said that she hasn't received hers yet!  Maybe they outsourced the job to India.  You know there's a lot of that going on these days.  I wonder what a judge would say about something like that.  Would he rule that a postmark in New Delhi would satisfy the requirements.  How about an ice station at the north pole, would that work?  "Yep, man, the postman comes by here like clockwork on the first Monday of every month."

Now, I would never suggest that John would give us information that he knew was not true.  But, do you think that it could be possible that he was misled?  The question is what are we going to do about it?  I will be willing to contribute to a fund for hiring an attorney to ask a judge to postpone the meeting until the thirty day requirement is met.  But, I won't do it alone.  What do you think?  Should we pursue this?  The enforcement of the by-laws is the only real protection members have from potential abuse.  That is not to say that there is anything like that going on in this case.  However, the precedent is the issue.  Give me your thoughts.  There is an easy way to resolve this, if John is willing.  The bulk mailer is bound to be able to give him a receipt showing when the letters were sent out and how many they sent.  How hard is that?  They would also be able to tell him who gave them the materials and when.  I would be more than happy to accept such evidence and publish the evidence for you. 

More on the meeting later.


9/24/2007

I would have to take exception to your description of the proposed amendments to the by-laws.  #1-I will not vote to give this inept board and their mis-manager one more cent considering their inability to handle the funds they receive now, much less vote to tie an increase to a Federal Government measure that is generally accepted to be an inaccurate measure.  #2-This is the only one that makes sense.  #3-This was just changed last year, probably should have been a 6:30 or 7Pm.  I particularly don't like the mis-representation in the "rationale by Moss" that this conflicts with Daphne city council meetings that meet on the 1st and 3rd Mondays.  Anyone who's been to the meeting knows that the reasons for lack of participation is the lack of substance and preparation by the bd members and the lack of regular attendance of the "disgruntled few".  We all know that the covenants are virtually impossible to change, so is a waste of paper and ink.  Finally, you are correct, I did not receive my notice within the 30 day by-law requirement.

Perhaps I should clarify my statement on the amendments to the by-laws.  I certainly was not endorsing any of them other than might be interpreted from  an earlier comment that I made that I had a difficult time getting home in time to make it to the stated meeting.  You will be able to knock me over with a feather, if the amendment to allow the board to raise the dues each year passes. ;-)


9/24/2007

Before the my submission was published yesterday, I sent it to a number of members who I knew to be very concerned about the well being of Lake Forest.  I asked for their view of the issue and advice.  Several people responded.  They were in 100% agreement* that there was not ample notice and that the by-laws must be enforced.  One person suggested that a legal opinion should be requested and said "The new LFPOA Council is a man named Jerry Speegle, I personally know him and find him to be of the highest caliber.  I trust his judgment and think that the question should be pressed to him so that he can make the Board aware of the violation of the By-laws."  A couple of people also said that they would try to attend the stated meeting tonight to see how the board plans to deal with the problem.  We will wait to hear what they have to say.  Since these were all personal Email responses to my request and not the usual Grapevine submissions, I will not publish any of their comments other than the favorable opinion of the association attorney above.

There was one interesting submission today that you will see below.  The member said he received his notice on September 12th.  I'm not sure how to explain why one member would receive notice that early and the rest of us get ours on the 20th & 21st.

*After I finished this, I received a couple of more responses.  One of them thought that it was much ado about nothing.  I think after a little more consideration, he might change his mind.


9/24/2007

I received my annual meeting notice on 9-12-2007. As I understand Article II, Section 3.4 of our By-Laws the requirement is to inform members 30 days prior to the meeting.  Unless I have forgotten how to count I was informed more than 30 days prior to the meeting.

9/23/2007

Yesterday your weblord reported that the notice of the annual meeting was not sent out in time to satisfy the requirements of our association by-laws.  My concern is the precedent that this will be setting.  Monday night at 6:00p.m. there will be a stated meeting of the board of directors.  Someone please try and attend that meeting to report how our board intends to deal with the problem.   While we cannot expect that the association will always have capable people in every position and we cannot expect that no mistakes will ever be made, we can demand that the laws of the association be followed.  We can NEVER allow anything else.  If the Board of Directors does not take measures to bring this issue into compliance with requirements of the by-laws, we as concerned members will have no choice but to take legal action.  It will be much better and cheaper to take such action BEFORE the meeting than after.


9/22/2007

In fairness, I took another ride around Ridgewood to look at those street patches.  If the city paid $310,000 for that, they didn't get their monies worth.  Just take a bumpy ride along Bayview Drive from the Highway 90 entrance to Windsor Drive and tell me you think I'm wrong.


9/22/2007

My proxy/ballot arrived today, September 21, 2007, 24 days before the annual meeting.  The contents were exactly as was described at a meeting of the board last month.    There are a couple of amendments we can have a little fun discussing, but really nothing there that should upset our membership.  In fact, I see only one problem.  According to our by-laws, no action of any kind can be taken at the annual meeting.  That would include changes to by-laws, election of officers and so forth.  Notice was not provided to the membership at least thirty days in advance of the meeting.  Take a look at a three sections of our by-laws listed below that all require that 30 day notice.  Frankly, it would not be a great burn to this writer if we went ahead with the meeting and the votes.  But, that is only because of the innocuous nature of the proposals.  However, what if something more serious comes up later?  Will we have set a precedent?  What if someone makes a motion at some annual meeting that most of the membership would find objectionable?  Could this be used to justify disregarding the by-laws on that one?

In the past our management has always made sure that our notices went out on time.  What happened this time?  Who we gonna blame?  How long do you think it is going to take for the Board of Directors to find the source of the problems?  You know, those problems like running out of money, poor maintenance of amenities, not sending out notices on time.  Maybe the general manager will say that she has not been allowed to do the job she is supposed to do.  We've heard that she has suggested such in the past. 

In the meantime, what are they going to do about this meeting?  The best course of action would probably be to send a another of those expensive letters, that Clint has talked about, to our members stating that due to someone's inability to send the notices out in a timely manner, the meeting will be postponed a week.

Section 3.1 Annual Meeting The annual meeting of the members of the Corporation shall
 be held on the third Monday in October of each year, commencing with the year 1988, or, if
such day shall be a legal holiday, at such time as shall be stated in the notice of such meeting,
for the election of directors (then due to be elected) and for transaction of such other
business as may come before the meeting; provided the failure to hold such annual meeting
 shall not work a dissolution of the Corporation.  Any business voted on at the meeting must
have been presented to the entire membership at least 30 days prior in the notice of the meeting.

(Note: This last section, Section 3.1, was modified by a vote of the membership at last year's annual meeting to add the last sentence.  That revision is not yet posted on the association website.)

Section 3.4. Notice of Meeting. Except as otherwise required by statute, notice of each
meeting of the members, whether annual or special, shall be given at least thirty 30) days
before the day on which the meeting is to be held, to each member of record by
delivering a written or printed notice thereof to each member, personally, or by mailing
such notice, postage prepaid, addressed to such member at the post office address
registered with the Corporation.

Section 6.6. Amendments. A proposed amendment to the By-laws of the Corporation
must be presented to the voters 30 days prior to a vote, then the By-laws of the
Corporation may be altered, amended, or repealed, in any particular, and any new
Bylaws, not inconsistent with any provision of the Certificate of Incorporation or any
provision of law, may be adopted by the affirmation vote of a majority of the votes
eligible to be voted at a meeting of the membership given at an annual meeting or at any
special meeting of the membership


9/21/2007

Mitch, without further discussion, the roadway work recently done has improved the drivability of Ridgewood and Bayview Drives. Sure, this is just the beginning of the process that will get better and thoroughly improved roadways. If you were to follow the project closely, and the money available, you would see that of the $500,000 planned, the city is using around $310,00 for the "patches" being done currently. The rest, $190,000, should be used to resurface large sections of Bayview or Ridgewood. To make this happen, we should all encourage our councilmen to insist on that money being used for our roadways. Let's all stay on top of the issue through active participation in local government. We must also be patient and understand that the Public Works Department is not headed by Ken Eslava any longer. Administering these types of things takes more time.


9/20/2007

Have you driven down Windsor or Main Street lately where less than a year ago someone "micro-surfaced" the asphalt?  That was a joke.  It's beginning to look like it needs roadwork again.  The recent work done in Lake Forest, as has been pointed out by several contributors already, has some pretty sad spots.  How does one explain such poor quality? 


9/20/2007

Grass carp for the lake? Sure, why not. I will tell you what, since they cost several thousand dollars to get, send your donations to the LFPOA and mark them Carp Fund. When that fund gets where it can buy them, we will do so. Otherwise, we will continue to work with governments to find funds for dredging. The other issue with carp. According to the State Conservation Biologist, we would have to screen the dam to insure against them washing over. This screen would catch debris and impede overflow and probably raise the flood stage of the lake. Are we comfortable in doing that?


9/19/2007

These weeds are beginning to flourish in the middle of the lake & are slowly creeping to join the weeds emanating from the lake edge. In due time, they will combine & choke off access & use of the lake by boats, kayaks, & canoes, particularly on the eastern end.  If there is no dredging to be done in the next few years, there needs to be a proactive effort to get rid of these weeds, before the lake gets choked off by them.  I see no evidence of any affective weed control from any chemical applications anywhere in the lake.  Maybe it is time to consider the grass carp again.


9/19/2007

Aw, come on Professor, you know the YC is worth far more than three million, just give me ten % of everything I can get over that figure and you will make me a wealthy man. Then after you do that how about giving the golf course a break. There lies the ground that will make or break your property values even if you are only a tennis player. TOUCHE' :-) The fact is the Men's Golf Assoc. just canceled a tournament, followed by a "Challenge Cup" event (outside teams) being canceled because we were ashamed to have them here. UNPLAYABLE GREENS

  All kidding aside, the thing that is disturbing about this contribution is that golf events have been cancelled because the golf association was "ashamed" to have them here.  We've heard numerous complaints about the condition of the course this summer.  I assumed that it was due in part to the very hot and dry weather we had.   But, it has rained buckets for the last three or four weeks.  Is the course still in that bad of a condition?  My wife, who is not a golfer, even remarked that the golf course looked overgrown as we were riding down the street the other day.  She was looking a part of the Forest 18, not the Lake 9.  What's going on?


9/18/2007

In response to the new health inspector, she had our facility about 5 years ago, and has been re-assigned to our area.  She was very taken back to our last health inspection, and said our facility looked the best it had in years, YES, she's been there before.  She had been assigned to our area in December, but our last health inspector kept coming as a FAVOR to us.  Yeah, RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!


9/18/2007

Mitch, it was a "different inspector" not a new inspector.  Different than the one who has consistently given us marks in the 80s. Just want to clarify.


9/18/2007

I can tell you how the Yacht Club could look better: it would have a FOR SALE sign in front of it with the word "SOLD" stamped across it.  We would then have $15,000,000 or so which we could invest and generate $750,000/year (And that's at only 5% APR).  That should provide enough money to open a bar somewhere and have Karaoke!  In fact, we may even have a dollar or two left over after that for improvements elsewhere.

  Yes, we could spend it on the golf course, couldn't we.   ;-)

Every time one of you guys comes up with this idea, the value of that place goes up by millions!  We have a  real appraisal that's only about three years old that says the place is worth a little over three.  Man!  Property values are going through the roof over here aren't they!  I guess that's why it's so hard to find a house for sale on the Eastern Shore.  Just think what the place will be worth to Lake Forest when we find someone who really knows how to make it successful! :-)


9/17/2007

MItch, The office staff decorates inside the club for Christmas, and Kenneth does the lights outside. I have no knowledge of ever paying someone to do it.


9/17/2007

  I was just re-reading some of the submissions this month and happened to notice the one about the Yacht Club scoring a 99 on the health department inspection.  That, of course, is great.  The contributor said that it was a new inspector and the comment was that the club has never looked better.  If it was a new inspector, how could he know it's never looked better?  Certainly that could not be true since I'm sure it probably looked better 30+ years ago when it was new. ;-)


9/16/2007

We hope we can repave all of the roads in '08 or '09?  I hope to pay my taxes in '07, '08 and '09. Come on City of Daphne, please tell me that this is not your solution to our roads. Sorry guys, you are not finished.

  I took a ride around Ridgewood today and have to admit that one of the contributors was correct when he said that they did not do a very good job.  One place near the Bayview bridge, you drop down into a newly paved hole about an inch deep.  You'd think that they could at least make the patched part the same height as the street or at least get close.  Another spot near the intersection of Bayview and Rolling Hills has already developed a two or three inch crack that makes the street drive even worse than it did before.  I wonder if they've paid the bill for this work yet.  They certainly shouldn't.


9/15/2007

Hey Mitch, the most important thing to remember regarding the roads and Daphne, they promised and said more than once they would put aside $500,000 for roads, where's the money?  What is Daphne doing, promising to its citizens, a large portion of its citizens....what can they do next to slight us, Lake Forest is always considered last!

  They promised?  Are you sure?  Or, did they say "Boy, we sure would like to fix those roads in Lake Forest" and pleasantly smile?  Ah, politics.


9/14/2007

I was told today that there is no money to hire the Christmas decorator this year! so, we seniors are suppose to decorate the C.C. ourselves this year.... on ladders....high ceilings... I don't think so! I believe this present board was very concerned about liability issues in their speeches...weren't they?? I was also told they did not have enough to pay the electric bill--time to cash the c.d. ,I guess, Ms. management!

  I sure hope that report on the state of the cash on hand is wrong.


9/14/2007

Congrats to this web site. After looking at a dead tree for a year, I decided to write the grapevine about it a few weeks ago hoping it would come to the attention of someone. Well, it evidently made it through the grapevine and to someone who got the job done. On the way home from work today, I saw the tree had been cut and large chunks lay on the ground around the base. It was not a minute too early because of the storm today. It could have landed on my little car! All I can say is thanks for getting the job done. I like this way of speaking out to better Lake Forest. Thanks Webmaster.

  You're welcome. ;-)


I too am wondering about this so called patch work being done on our streets. I would really like to know who is in charge of quality control over these contractors. The work they performed was shabby at best and didn't address a major portion of the areas that need work. I can't believe Daphne actually paid money to have that little bit of work done. Should have waited and done it all at one time.

  Because of the number of submissions like this one recently, your Weblord called the Public Works Director for the City of Daphne, Melvin McCarley and asked him.  Mr. McCarley told me that the work being done was to repair the damaged spots around Ridgewood Drive.  He said "We hope we can re-surface the entire road in 2008 or 2009." 

The reader can make his own judgment about exactly what that statement means.  This writer believes that the Public Works Director would like to repave the roads in Lake Forest.  But, he also believes in the Golden Rule, although probably not the same one you are thinking about.  For the record, the Weblord believes in the other one, too.  No, the Golden Rule I am talking about is the one that says "He who has the gold, rules."  In other words, whether or not those roads are going to be paved is not really the call of the Public Works Director.  He doesn't have the gold, or at least he doesn't control the gold.  It is your City Council that will make that call.  So, if you want those roads paved, the City Council is the place to go.  Although for five members of our City Council, part of Lake Forest makes up the majority of their district, only one of them actually lives here.  That fact is the fault of Lake Forest residents themselves, since they have the votes to put whoever or whomever they want in office.  Nevertheless, we really should believe that the people who serve on the City Council want to do the right thing.  So, it is up to us to convince them that repaving our streets is the right thing to do.  Do you think this issue will create as much excitement as the apartment and mystery church issues did?


There was a rating of 99 at the Yacht Club. It appears that a different inspector came. The comments were that the kitchen area, with recent improvements, looked the best it ever has. Congrats should go out to Kenneth and the staff.  

  Good work!


  We received a message today about the Yacht Club that I'd just love to put on the Grapevine.  Unfortunately, it came from someone who doesn't know their own name or just cannot follow the rules, so we'll have to let it pass.


9/12/2007

Are there plans in the works to pave the streets in lake forest?  Like everyone else, I've been wondering about the patch work paving that has been going on and wondering if it is in preparation for full out repaving. The streets of LF are certainly in need of repaving.  I know this is not an association responsibility, just wondered if anyone knew.


9/12/2007

I called Allstate and was surprised to find out that if you contracted with the company after 2000 the rates are going up---even if you you have your car ins. with the company. We took out our policy in 2004 on our home and autos, had no claims, and got the hit !!  I found a new company for my home and autos at a lower rate and better coverage--it wasn't easy!


9/10/2007

The Political Action Cmte. we are proposing is not one in the traditional sense. There would be no party affiliation. What happened with Grande Pointe and Restoration Fellowship was the model for a Lake Forest PAC. Unfortunately, we had to send out a mailing that cost the Association over $1,000+ to let people know what's going on because we have no PAC. The purpose of our PAC would be to get a list of names of the people who could easily be reached and called to meet when there is an important issue or election that has a direct impact on Lake Forest, without regard to an y party affiliation. -Clint Martin, 458-8999.


9/7/2007

In response to the irate Allstate customer . . . I just got off the phone with my Allstate rep in Baldwin County and was told that, yes, there has been an increase approved by the Insurance Commission and that it is 94%. It seems that Allstate had been requesting a "gradual" increase for the past few years which the Insurance Commission never granted until now and the Insurance Commission granted the entire increase of 94%! I was told that if I lived in Loxley, Silverhill or Foley that my premium would not go up or, if I lived in Mobile the increase would only be 30% . . . and, that Allstate is dropping those customers who ONLY have homeowners with them . . . if you also have auto, boat, etc. then you won't be dropped. Also, the present "wind" deductible is 2%, but if I were to sell my home and purchase a new home - and it doesn't matter what part of Baldwin County that I would move to - that deductible will increase to 5%. But, good news, I could put a new roof on my house, add an alarm system and get a new air conditioner and my premium would drop . . . so, I would have to spend thousands of dollars to save a very small percentage on insurance. As for calling the Insurance Commissioner - they will only give you "political" speak - no straight answers.


9/7/2007

Mitch: Regarding the BZA meeting tonight . . . LAKE FOREST WON!!!!!! There was a large turnout, but not as many as at the city council re the apartment issue, but the residents who did attend voiced their concerns as did John Lake, Cathy Barnette, and a very big concerted effort by our "planning" group consisting of residents opposed to the church. There were only two speakers for the church - Freddie Johnson and Starling King . . . all they could say was that they were "under the impression" by the Baldwin County zoning requirements that they could build there . . . a BZA board member quickly educated them that the BZA deals with the city zoning and NOT Baldwin County zoning . . . oops. It was all down hill from there for the church. As for those SIC codes . . . where the church listed everything but a church . . . seems that the church felt there was a need in our community for a day care center . . . along with spiritual support. The church may appeal the BZA decision, but only by filing a civil lawsuit in district court within the next 15 days -we doubt that will happen, but even if it does, they won't win . . . it seems that the courts rarely overrule the BZA. Thanks for your help in getting the word out . . . we'll keep you posted on other issues concerning this great subdivision . . .

That is wonderful!!!  Congratulations to all of you who worked so hard on this issue.  Your efforts paid off for your community.   There are some who think that Lake Forest needs a political action committee.  Well, the apartment issue and the church issue just go to show that there is no "political action" more effective than genuinely concerned citizens on a mission.  You carried no political baggage.  You were simply righteous!   Congratulations again!


9/6/2007

BZA MEETING TONIGHT!!! Try your best to attend.  Your old Weblord probably cannot get home from work in time, so someone please tell us what happens.


9/6/2007

I would say that an assessment should ONLY be used for capital improvements that are critical for the preservation of the buildings or property.  In no way should the board support assessments for merely sustaining current operations.


9/6/2007

I just was informed today that Allstate Ins. Co. has been given a nice rate hike from our politicians in Montgomery !!! THE RATE HIKE IS A VERY REASONABLE------NINETY FIVE PERCENT !!!! YESSSSSS 95%!!!! Our yearly rate has gone from about $1,650 to an incredible $3,400 per year !!! The notices are on the way in a couple of days...Everyone needs to contact our politicians and demand some fairness from the ins. companies. We have never even filed a claim--retiring here is not looking to be as economical as we once thought!!!!!


9/5/2007

It has been reported from several sources that the roof over the 19th hole, men's and women's lockers and pro shop is in serious condition.  If the situation is allowed to continue, we can look forward to major and expensive damages to the interior as well.  One report has suggested that proper repair could run as high as $100,000.  This writer has stated that an assessment for the purpose of repairing the roof is not unreasonable.  After all, one thing that almost everyone can agree on is that one of the primary responsibilities of our board and management is the proper care of our amenities.  What do you have to say to that?


9/5/2007

JUST A REMINDER . . . the "church" issue will go before the Board of Zoning Adjustments (BZA) this Thursday, Sept. 6, at 6:00 p.m. at Daphne City Hall. PLEASE SHOW YOUR SUPPORT FOR KEEPING LAKE FOREST A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY BY ATTENDING THIS MEETING!

If the residents do not show up, they will agree to the exception.



 


 

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